"i was on the fence about these for awhile because of the price (they are very simple pants) but decided to go for it because i know ill wear them often and theyre very versitile. they are very nice in person, my only complaint is that the material starts to stretch as soon as you start wearing them so youre gonna end up w baggy knees and crotch pretty quick. they already have a more relaxed fit in the crotch. decided to keep them because im a seamstress, so if this really starts bugging me ill just downsize them. also let it be known the material is really nice but isnt as thick as it might appear in the photo. i can actually see the outlines of my tattoos through the fabric at times."